debian gnu/linux or what

Is Debian a real pain in the ass? Ubuntu is running kind of crappy on my computer, so it might be time to move on again. Then with Debian, there's the question of whether to do "stable", "testing", or "unstable." I think I'm more of an "unstable" type of guy, lol, but I don't want a mess. I can handle light mess, but not a big mess.

Or, should I do Sidux which is based on Debian unstable, as is Ubuntu. I loved KDE for about 10 years, but once I got off of it, I don't really want it back. The plasma desktop didn't really appeal.

I've really gotten into the Debian package manager, which Ubuntu and Sidux use. I like doing a clickety-click, sipping a beer, and seeing the app install no problem.

I'm not opposed to distros that are called "hard", or at least "non-newbie". I did run Slackware for about 10 years, but it lacks a real package manager. I ended up compiling most of the software for it, but I want to stick with a click-n-install package manager at this point.

Just don't know what to do. For sure we don't do Windows and Mac here. We done got too free.

OK, I'll keep meditating on it.

26 responses to “debian gnu/linux or what

  1. Debian stable is good but its packages are kinda obsolete compared to Ubuntu !!Sidux — never used it before :(If I had a nice Comp. then I would surely go for Arch linux KDE or Fedora KDE πŸ™‚ :up:

  2. Don't use unstable, any system update becomes a Russian roulette. If you want a nice .deb distro that's not Ubuntu, try Linux Mint. Or, if you're willing to switch distros, try Mandriva. It's friendlier than Ubuntu IMO, doesn't treat the user like a moron, looks better and runs faster. Or, if you want an expert distro like Slack, except with real package management, try Arch Linux. Some assembly is required, but I've never seen a distro with better documentation. Just follow the instructions on their wiki and you'll be fine.Now, you may be wondering why I don't recommend Fedora, which is what I use at home. Well, I think it's still better suited to developers. Besides, I've been using it for a long time; as a new user you may not like it much at first. But do try it out if you have the time and disposition.

  3. Originally posted by claudeb:

    try Linux Mint.

    I agree, that is a good alternative, I've tried it on my old computer. Very nice, and, in my opinion, prettier than Ubuntu. As for Madriva, you could try that. Before Ubuntu, I tried at least 10+ Operating Systems, at least 3 worked. (Hardware specs on the old machine wasn't great and I had no idea on how to fix the problem manually and install the other OS's.) Basically, I was stuck with Ubuntu. (Due to my Mum using the computer as well.) If I had it my way, I would stick with Mandriva, or OpenSUSE.

  4. Also, I don't know if they will start on it yet, but I've heard about Mandriva making an OS specifically for netbooks. So…..you can try that! πŸ˜€ (I don't know if it's true, I've heard about it a while back ago.)

  5. ***Mandriva. Sorry. If you want it to be 100% Free and Open-Source software, try this link here: http://www2.mandriva.com/US/downloads/?p=linux-free

  6. Hm, maybe I should revert back to Mandriva again. πŸ˜€

  7. I've read that Mandriva has drivers for many netbooks, and it certainly comes with Moblin, but I never tried it on a netbook myself. On the other hand, I've seen it running beautifully out-of-the-box on a Macbook, which speaks volumes about Mandriva's hardware compatibility.

  8. Thanks everybody. Nice stuff. I'll sip a few beers tonight and explore and think some more.

  9. Happy new year πŸ™‚

  10. Happy new Debian Testing year 2010.There is no subliminal message there… I was just saying πŸ˜‰

  11. Happy New Years!

  12. Originally posted by FoxM:

    There is no subliminal message there

    I don't mind the subliminal. Alien abductions can be OK, too.Happy New Year!

  13. Well, I had a few drinks and found Debian Lenny installed on my computer. I hope I'm not sore in the morning! :yikes: Ouch!More info here. :p

  14. I wouldn't mind either if it is an alien of some very special sort:

  15. Area 51, one of my favorite places. I didn't get modprobed though. 😦 I guess my modules were fine that day.

  16. Andres, have you used "testing" much? It's pretty much OK?"Stable" is really smooth, but I guess I'd like a little game of chance now as long as it's not really really chancy.

  17. Well, I'm running "testing" now.OMG, I just found out there's a huge bug in upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze right now. Apparently a package called dhcp-probe gets missed during the process, so your box loses connectivity during the upgrade and a lot of stuff doesn't complete, including Gnome getting reinstalled after the old one gets stripped out.So anyway, you end up booting back into a box that has no net connectivity and no "X". You can't get the needed packages because you're not online anymore.Just by the skin of my chinny-chin-chin did I remember how to bring up the connection by the command line:ifup –force eth1Then you can get the dreadful missed package: apt-get install dhcp-probeThen finish the broken upgrade: apt-get dist-upgradeThen get the hosed Gnome back: apt-get install gdmapt-get install gnomeIt was a little frightening! lolShit happens, but at least I learned a few things.

  18. Hell, I might as well do "sid" (unstable) now. πŸ˜† Actually, little pain has been reported in that transition.

  19. Originally posted by FoxM:

    I think you will like Squeeze…. it is crazy, but not that crazy… hahaha

    Hehe, I love the way you put that. :up: While I'm at it and feeling my way around, I went ahead and changed the repositories to unstable. I might as well see how it is. I went and did things around the house and didn't watch what it did, but it must have removed a video driver I needed because when I rebooted, the x-server failed. I looked through the logs and found that it removed xserver-xorg-ati, which is the exact one I need. I had to adjust the repositories again to get that one back, now all is fine.I think "aptitude safe-upgrade" will be the way to go from now on so stuff doesn't get yanked.Oh well, I got to see how stuff works and learn a few things, too. I actually have a working sid system running, warts and all. I might whip out a CD and back it back down to one of the others. For my purposes, nothing is *that* different from what Lenny was.

  20. I didn't have that problem when upgrading from Etch (at that time, stable) to Lenny (at that time, testing). Since then, I never used stable again, and after that has only been 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade'Those are the most used commands on my machine :PIt is sad and strange that the dist-upgrade had failed like that. Not the usual issues that come from Debian…. but anything can happen. Once something similar happened to me, but it was an issue with the internet connection or the modem, I do not know, but a package was downloaded incorrectly and the installation went like normal, until aptitude started to install that one package and eveything went wrong. Fortunately it was an application and not an OS library or something.;) I think you will like Squeeze…. it is crazy, but not that crazy… hahaha

  21. Well, I have ubuntu installed and I haven't had any kinda problems with it until now… In fact, my daughter installed Window on the same computer and yesterday I started a session in it and… OMG! That actually was a pain in the ass! I still don't understand how some people can handle and manage wit Windows. I suppose I will have to have a look at Debian after reading your post and all this comments.

  22. Originally posted by Gothic.O:

    I suppose I will have to have a look at Debian after reading your post and all this comments

    I guess it just depends on what you're looking for and how much adventure you want. Ubuntu is fresh and nice, and a lot of problems are ironed out already or quickly fixed, plus it is Debian based. I like the Debian packaging system, so there's fun with that whether you choose any of the *buntus or Debians.The Debian graphical installer was as easy to me as the Ubuntu one, though Debian did leave me more configuration to do post-install, not a lot, but some.At least with all this stuff, tearing it up and putting it back together again is all free. No product codes, no convincing anyone that you already paid, etc.

  23. Andres (Fox), I wanted to say thanks for the recommendation on "testing" (currently "Squeeze"). I have a beautiful system running now that is nicely configured. I think there will be just enough craziness to it so that I will stay interested, but it's smooth enough to use with the limited knowledge I have.The Gnome is freaking gorgeous! :heart:

  24. Oh, we should compare repositories now, lol.This is all I currently have:deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-freedeb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates mainOh, and those bitches at Opera sneak one in on ya when you install the browser πŸ˜† deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free

  25. My sources.list is, basically a run of apt-spy (or some other mirror-probing goodie) plus debian-multimedia plus deb.opera.com plus google.com/linux/deb (for picasa)I am not on my linux box now, but my mac, so I can't copy the file now… but I will later, if you want πŸ˜‰

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